Curse

cry of the rapture · Oct 04, 2006, 03:21 AM // 03:21

/signed

Snirp · Oct 04, 2006, 03:30 AM // 03:30

Quite simple. I gave it a chance during the event, i faced vims' and smite more than ever, won the halls a few times, and still got the time to get tired of it while i had 2 more days to play... U see, its not that ppl cant beat vim or smite, its just damn boring to face them every single map.

And guess what? i dont play iway and i just hate bloodspike. But one thing i just love and that is 8v8 gameplay that HA created. I think new maps/map fix would change the HA the way ppl wanted. Its just not necessary to make it 6v6.

Ramod · Oct 04, 2006, 03:35 AM // 03:35

/signed

Moroz · Oct 04, 2006, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBaron82

Yes I think you're right but I also think that converting into 6v6 will help the new people to HA, making it more friendly. It is very hard to find a non IWAY/VIM without rank (even rank group have trouble forming), random PuG for 8v8 just won't work. /skip
I mentioned this on the other thread but perhaps they can change 6v6 and 8v8 monthly (6v6 this month, 8v8 next month).
/halfsigned?

If you can't play something else then IWAY/VIM without rank in 8v8 why you think new people will play something else then IWAY/VIM without rank in 6v6?
I very like r8+ groups because if peoples reach they r8 without iway/vim etc. they know what to do and even it's PuG r8+ group it's very good group.
I like idea about change 6v6 and 8v8 mode monthly or weekly.

/halfsigned?

Caleb · Oct 04, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43

/not signed

I support the implementation of 6v6 in HA.

DukeGwydion · Oct 04, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47

I personally say don't make Ha a 6v6 Arena. The only reason it was so popular during the weekend, was because of the double fame. Yes this might be a good change to make for another weekend or something, but not to keep it this way. I also think the addition of a 6v6 Arena would be a wonderful idea.

And for those who say just GvG because it is also 8v8, GvG and Ha are alot different. Some of us don't like the pressure that if we lose, our rank will change to the negative.

/signed

Ganik Thress · Oct 04, 2006, 03:49 AM // 03:49

I very much like the idea of the 8v8 AND 6v6 arenas, however, there are flaws as there will be some exploitation of one of the arenas, and the majority will flock to that one arena, leaving the other arena completely desolate.

Despite what I favor, I'm willing to try out the 6v6, and experiment rather than blatantly and outright denying the potential of it.

At the end of the day, it's all about adaptation.

So in that, /Not signed for now.

Opeth · Oct 04, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

/not signed

lambda the great · Oct 04, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Not sure which one to sign, but I like the 6vs. 6, Most fun I've had in HA ever.
/signed for 6v6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avenged Darkness

Anyone who supports 6v6 is stupid.
Plain and simple. You are a pve scrub if you support it, and you will probably play the new HA about twice and go back to 5 man oro farming. I hope you realize how much real HA players hate you for ruining the only aspect of the game they like.

nvm...

CustoMeX · Oct 04, 2006, 04:34 AM // 04:34

/not signed

I don't really care. If it changes, people will find new builds that work, things will change as always. Same thing happens when they nerf a build, people just move on to the next thing. If anything, it will encourage change because so many people who have strong 8v8 builds will need to create new and hopefully original methods of getting their results in the new 6v6.

One thing I found interesting is how many of you felt that 6v6 would greatly narrow down the variety seen in HA. It makes sense to say that less people means less variety, but this is not the case. The reason for this is because the possible damage output will be greatly decreased, and thus allowing more freedom to the players competing, in terms how their attributes and skills are set.

I also have something I would like to say to all of you real HA players who are being so closed minded and directly insulting the pve community.
It is people like you who are the reason Anet has to make these changes to try to encourage new players to participate in pvp events. You alienate the other players for absolutely no reason. I can't stand when I see supposed "experienced" players shunning new players without giving them a chance to prove themselves. Hell if you had any decency, you would let one join and give him some constructive criticism. Get over yourselves and quit drinking from the Haterade fountain.

Dark_Kilauea · Oct 04, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

/signed

Some reasons:

HA has been the birthplace of many new and interesting builds. Take the infamous EoE bomb and minion factory for examples. Also earthquake aftershock spike, b-spike, ranger spike... the list goes on. Many of these builds are rendered nerfed by this update (if not already nerfed).

I see vimway as a fame farm, and during the 6vs6 weekend, I'd say over 80% of what was run was vimway. I disagree that vim takes any skill to run. Vim, right now is countered by another monk on most teams. Take that monk away...

I also disagree that guesting is enough to help top guilds practice. They have to have a core team, and a few seconds. However, HA is an excellent place to try a GvG build to see if it works against spikes.

That's how I see it.

Minus Sign · Oct 04, 2006, 04:38 AM // 04:38

/signed to support 8v8 HA. I understand that people enjoyed 6v6. Give them a 6v6 arena. Don't canabalize a game other players like to cater to people who don't.

The masses spoke--I get that--and said they liked 6v6. But thats no reason to remove the 8v8 HA other players are enjoying.

Introducing new maps to go along with it? Its an admission Anet, that you're intention is to cater to people who aren't playing HA instead of finding a solution for both. Ignore minorities at your peril.

This is lazy. Give 6v6 lovers another arena. Don't give them mine.

Detraya fullvear · Oct 04, 2006, 04:42 AM // 04:42

/signed petetion, 6 v 6 = bad... i only play this game to ha.. this is doing nothing but giving me a reason not to buy nightfall

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaymat

ppl still oro farm?

and to those complaing it will be just vim, iway etc..

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK HAS BEEN GOING ON IN HA FOR THE PAST 6 MONTHS

have you played ha in the last 2-3 months?

here, have some statistics:

tonight, i played 28 games. i ran into

2 iways
3 bloodspikes
1 vim
16 balances
1 foc spike (wth, i hadn't seen this in ages)
6 preasures (hex heavy and or condition spam)

lightblade · Oct 04, 2006, 04:52 AM // 04:52

You see...
Most people that's against 6v6 are pre-searing cadets. They didn't have enough fun yet with 8v8.
While most people that support 6v6 are wild pathfinders that already got bored of 8v8.

Let me explain how 6v6 will make game more diverse:
- 8to6 shrink; allows some "half-healers" or "half-nuker" like Ritualist and Paragon get in the game. Because of the shrink, you no longer need 2 monks to keep people alive, while having 1 monk is not enough. This leaves room for Ritualist and paragon to come in, and therefore allows a more diverse group. Same goes for elementists.

Now the math:
With the upcoming release of Nightfall, we'll have total of 10 different professions.

10 nCr 8 = 45 different profession combo
10 nCr 6 = 210 different professin combo
12 nCr 6 = 924 different combo (w/ ch4)

Do I need to say anymore?

Darkelvenchic · Oct 04, 2006, 04:57 AM // 04:57

/Signed for 8vs8

To say this change will make it so that ppl have to come up with more creative balanced builds is to say that IWAY never got anyone rank nine...

Balanced, dispite the stacked odds, is what tends to hold halls best, and fail against other builds the least..as is, so why change things in hopes that balanced will dominate?

A few things:
90% of groups forming in ID1 are IWAY/Vim
10% of those groups make it past scared earth.
This nerf, will own OG spike that relies on 7 spikers...a good build doesn't need 7 spikers...
R spike will dominate instead of diminish...
Balanced will suffer b/c of the loss of a monk...
ViM will OWN as its no longer practical to have an RC builds...
...shall I go on?
~~Dual smite, ViM, IWAY, R Spike, and balanced (minus thier monk and one damage dealer/interupter) G-effing-G~~

SIDE NOTE TO Archangel: You've been beaten by ViM more than B Spike so GG, Andrew

Zui · Oct 04, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

/not signed

While I do like 8 vs 8 Hereos' Ascent, I liked 6 vs 6 more, and so did every single person I know.

Dietrich · Oct 04, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03

/signed

If people want 6v6, then I say install a new arena for 6v6. It was fun for a double fame event but I have no idea why ANet would want to make this permanent. I wish there was some explanation as to the reasoning here. I just don't see 6v6 being as fun or as productive.

Ah well, guess some things just are not sacred.

tomcruisejr · Oct 04, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

yes. we need HA to be infested with ViMway so new players can feast on them and get their emotes asap.

make 6vs6 HA permanent.

The Fallen One · Oct 04, 2006, 05:19 AM // 05:19

/signed
This idea upsets all the experience many have gained and build creating people have become acustomed to in Hall of Heroes is based around 8 v 8 combat, I think that Anet is merely changing this in order to draw more people in these last few weeks before the release of Nightfall for of course, profit.

Jetstream · Oct 04, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

Not sure if i like it have to wait and see i guess.

Im not one to tell people how to play their game but its about time anet did something to rid HA of all the Vimway iway and b-spikers that are more worried about fame than actually having fun playing the game.
To all the so called Ha pros calling everyone else pve scrubs get a clue. Your the ones that locked newcomers out of HA so now anet has to let them in so dont blame them blame yourselves. HA is getting less and less popular if this makes it more popular it can only be a good thing if it makes it less popular im sure they wil change it back to 8v8.